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Re: Perfect Strangers Alpine Valley 1985


a few additional comments.

Budokan 2014 is as good as I've heard MK Morse, stands up to a lot of the RB era pretty well if not better.

IG seemed to me to sing better and more appropriately from Purpendicular onwards than from 84-93

Made in Japan is one of my least favourite DP live lps. Mk 2 for me much better represented on Scandanavian and 'In concert'.

Gillan totally needed to re join DP in 1992 (financially and career wise). RB had another singer lined up, but as we know was 'paid' to accept IG back instead, despite detesting what he heard on the audition tapes.

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a few additional comments.

Budokan 2014 is as good as I've heard MK Morse, stands up to a lot of the RB era pretty well if not better.

IG seemed to me to sing better and more appropriately from Purpendicular onwards than from 84-93

Made in Japan is one of my least favourite DP live lps. Mk 2 for me much better represented on Scandanavian and 'In concert'.

Gillan totally needed to re join DP in 1992 (financially and career wise). RB had another singer lined up, but as we know was 'paid' to accept IG back instead, despite detesting what he heard on the audition tapes.



Once IG had been forced back into DP against RB's wishes it was only a matter of time before RB left. The fact that IG was un-listenable only speeded up the split, and as RB was the only member of DP who could have a solo career it made sense for him to go.
RB had backed himself into a corner over the years, simply re-hashing riffs over and over again and making TBRO stale and uninteresting.
I still love PS and will always feel that the reunion was worthwhile, although when JLT was brought in on vocals this was very obviously not what we had been sold with the reunion.
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yes agree re RB in a corner, and Rainbow was going that way too 96/97 so he had to try something new with BN.
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Maybe you guys could form the "bashing Ian Gillan" forum..?
And have very strict rules about who can join..?

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I think that Gillan's ragged vocals is a lesser evil when compared to MKIII-IV's screamfest renditions of HS and Georgia on My Mind, or JLT's stage persona and cock rock vocals.


That's true, but that isn't a tough challenge.

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I think they should have dropped CIT and SKOW after the PS tour. Maybe replaced them with Wasted Sunsets and Mean Streak. As for DTC, I didn't mind them playing that but it seems they could have replaced it with something else once in a while, something like Bach Onto This(since they didn't mind playing a Rainbow piece they could have played a Lord piece once in a while).

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I think they should have dropped CIT and SKOW after the PS tour. Maybe replaced them with Wasted Sunsets and Mean Streak. As for DTC, I didn't mind them playing that but it seems they could have replaced it with something else once in a while, something like Back Onto This(since they didn't mind playing a Rainbow piece they could have played a Lord piece once in a while).



It was fair enough them playing them on the PS tour, but several of the old chestnuts should have been dropped for the HOTBL tour, it made no sense to drag them around for a second time.
Keeping more of the PS songs in the setlist, and playing more from HOTBL and throwing in a couple of oldies that weren't played on the PS tour would have freshened the setlist up.
As for DTC I loved this on the PS tour, the JL solo was great.
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I listened to some of the 1988 tour last night, was pretty lively. any comments from those who attended?
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quote:

Viciious wrote:

quote:

Concrete god wrote:

Maybe you guys could form the "bashing Ian Gillan" forum..?
And have very strict rules about who can join..?

 emoticon emoticon



I think that Gillan's ragged vocals is a lesser evil when compared to MKIII-IV's screamfest renditions of HS and Georgia on My Mind, or JLT's stage persona and cock rock vocals.



I'll reply to a couple of things here.

I will take Gillan when he didn't sound too good over Cov and Hughes destryoying the MKII stuff. Gillan's voice was shot, but he at least tried. Dave sucked and
was off key most of the time. Glen's histrionics were terrible. IG by far over those two.

I liked JLT. He sang well and did the MKII and III stuff justice. Maybe some didn't like him, but he sang well and was an improvement over IG at that time.

As for PTR, I think that 'Bombay Calling' was quite fine. It was raw and exciting. IG sounded pretty good and Steve played quite well. The band was jammin' pretty hot. Later, they settled into what became a familiar groove I thought that they got somewhat stale. Gillan hadn't started clucking like a chicken and no widdling from Morse. Better and more authentic than the later stuff.
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quote:

Viciious wrote:

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Concrete god wrote:

Maybe you guys could form the "bashing Ian Gillan" forum..?
And have very strict rules about who can join..?

 emoticon emoticon



I think that Gillan's ragged vocals is a lesser evil when compared to MKIII-IV's screamfest renditions of HS and Georgia on My Mind, or JLT's stage persona and cock rock vocals.



I'll reply to a couple of things here.

I will take Gillan when he didn't sound too good over Cov and Hughes destryoying the MKII stuff. Gillan's voice was shot, but he at least tried. Dave sucked and
was off key most of the time. Glen's histrionics were terrible. IG by far over those two.

I liked JLT. He sang well and did the MKII and III stuff justice. Maybe some didn't like him, but he sang well and was an improvement over IG at that time.

As for PTR, I think that 'Bombay Calling' was quite fine. It was raw and exciting. IG sounded pretty good and Steve played quite well. The band was jammin' pretty hot. Later, they settled into what became a familiar groove I thought that they got somewhat stale. Gillan hadn't started clucking like a chicken and no widdling from Morse. Better and more authentic than the later stuff.



I agree that JLT vocal wise was far ahead of IG at the time of joining DP. However with JLT on the vocals there was absolutely nothing to remind me that I was listening to DP. As i said previously, this was not what we were sold when the reunion was announced.

Gillan hadn't started clucking like a chicken and no widdling from Morse. emoticon emoticon
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It is true that we expected Gillan to be the front-man, but at that time his voice was baked. I really think that JLT kept the Purpsters going and at least in the publics eye. Blackers and RG were quite familiar and comfortable with him. I really think that Sebastian Bach would would have been a good choice. We'll never know.
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