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Naming the album BANANAS. emoticon
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1. Replacing Paicey with a drum machine on some songs Slaves & Masters (great title by the way, I guess he was one of the slaves?). For no reason. There was absolutely no point of doing that to one of the greatest drummer of all time. That has to be the single most stupid thing ever done in DP.


Just a question of curiosity:
Which tracks are you talking about? and where did you get that info?
I know it was discussed on this forum, but never got the confirmation of it...

http://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/t7148,offset=40


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Since I'm a bit of Ian Paice fan, being a drummer, I have read and heard a lot of interviews with Paicey so I'm pretty confident that I have heard Ian explain somewhere how it felt to be replaced by a machine. But now I've google'd for it and can't find a thing about it.
So up until I can find a quote I guess it classifies as "not really confirmed".
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Considering how highly people have spoken of Paicey's drumming (especially Ritchie), I'd be really surprised if they had replaced him with a drum machine. I know Gary Moore didn't have any qualms about using drum machines instead of drummers, that could've been who Ian was referring to?
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I have heard that there are doubts that paice is drumming on all tracks on slaves and masters. Compare Fire in the basenent where he is there for sure with cuts run deep where i have strong doubts that it is paice. Just his swing is not evident at all.
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PaisteUser wrote:

Since I'm a bit of Ian Paice fan, being a drummer, I have read and heard a lot of interviews with Paicey so I'm pretty confident that I have heard Ian explain somewhere how it felt to be replaced by a machine. But now I've google'd for it and can't find a thing about it.
So up until I can find a quote I guess it classifies as "not really confirmed".



Please, if you find back this interview, I'd be very interested in reading it.

Thanx

By the way, this contrasts with the explaination given by Gillan Micstand which I linked in my previous post:

"Just a couple of things there LazyT
it's been reported that "TCRD" was Roger with a drum machine,while Paice was on vacation through part of the recording of this album.
Myself,I didn't care alot for the drums on this album,but I do agree that since then he's been wide awake,only to fall slightly asleep on "ROTD" but it aint like that,cause there all on a different vibe here,he and big Ian being less 'up front' then Airey/Glover/Morse in that order.
The drums are a bit background on this one,but it kicks,while we're all used to a bit more of a thump.
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I wonder why Paice would have felt anything if it was his choice to be replaced by the machine.

Now, if you read Colin Hart's biography, the only indication I found was that Paice came to the S&M recording sessions with his whole family, which might confirm he was on a vacation mood... emoticon


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Or it was his subtle way of protesting JLT being in the band and he just decided to "phone" it in.
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Paice played the tracks on S&M, but the everything was trigged so that all ghosts notes are gone, giving that "drum machine" effect.
I'm pretty sure that the song Fire, Ice & Dynamite is a drum machine & TCRD probably has a mix of both, but the rest is played.

I remember Jon Lord telling me how liberated they all were when recording Purpendicular, because the production and recording were much more "Live".
I think the whole thing with click track and trigger started on HobL through TbrO.
Unwritten law is another good example of "real drumming" mixed with machine (can't remember the name of that machine, but it's mentionned on the HoBL cover).

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I'm pretty sure that the song Fire, Ice & Dynamite is a drum machine & TCRD probably has a mix of both, but the rest is played.




That song definitely sounds like it; just listened to it again. We know Roger played the synths and bass on it, would make sense that it could be a drum machine too; just RB, JLT and RG.

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purpletemple
Unwritten law is another good example of "real drumming" mixed with machine (can't remember the name of that machine, but it's mentionned on the HoBL cover).


Vince Gutman's Marc System

I quote: "this box turned an analog signal into trigger pulses, which were required to run the Simmons. I used it to twist up live drum sounds and the sounds from the Linn."



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